Friday, October 12, 2012

Rodcast 112: O.D.

Sorry for the delay! My laptop went into outer darkness. This episode isn't our Conference report (we haven't recorded that one yet). It's actually the Rodcast we recorded a few weeks ago. I was able to extract it off of the laptop and finally get it posted up now.

I think we spoke a little bit about the Brigham City Temple dedication. There's a bit of Helaman in there too probably. You go to Sunday School. You know what's up.

Our second topic is somehow tackling Outer Darkness, which is a place that's kind of a big deal, but doesn't even have an entry in Mormon Doctrine. We said what we think. What do you think?

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  1. Pete's clip of the week is "Hey look, massive orgies!" in the last few minutes. That would be a great ringtone.

  2. Part I:

    I think Pd should try the PGP next and report back.

    Power requires attention and attention requires money. So, even if you are poor and get noticed, money will start coming because people like throwing money at the needy, if for no other reason than to make themselves feel better, and so you need to get seen by the right people and it may well change everything. Becoming a cause celebre is the gateway.

    The thing about Samuel the Lamanite in Helaman 16:6 is a pride thing to me. It is the thought the people had that they could not possibly be wrong...that the Lord could not possibly be protecting they try to get another source to do the work for them.

    Multiple dedicatory sessions for temples are common, actually. I find it odd too. I think someone different does get to read the prayer each time, though the prayer is the same, I think. There are just different speakers during the dedicatory session. In this case, Pres. Packer read the dedicatory prayer for the first session as it is the 'actual' dedication...the first time the blessing is pronounced. I don't see why it isn't a mass broadcast like General Conference where they do it once for all, but whatever.

    I think only the state of Utah (and the part of Idaho in the BC temple district) got out of regular church the day of the temple dedication.

    Have you noticed that Pres. Monson hasn't traveled to temple dedications since that time at General Conference awhile back when he showed up late for the Saturday Morning session and we never got an explanation as to why that happened? He sends his counselors and members of the Twelve to dedicate most temples since then. I am wondering if his security was threatened or if it has something to do with his wife's frail health or what, but he doesn't travel to temple dedications or rededications anymore.

  3. Part II:

    Pd's Sandusky mention is going to damn him. That much is sure. As to why I didn't go online to listen to Conference that weekend I was back in PA: I honestly don't really affiliate with the Church much anymore, so I didn't feel too bad about not watching Conference. It's just not much a part of my life anymore.

    Here's the 'tentacles' part of the Orson F. Whitney quote, which I don't think was included in my comment to the last post:

    “The Prophet Joseph Smith declared—and he never taught a more comforting doctrine—that the eternal sealings of faithful parents and the divine promises made to them for valiant service in the Cause of Truth, would save not only themselves, but likewise their posterity. Though some of the sheep may wander, the eye of the Shepherd is upon them, and sooner or later they will feel the tentacles of Divine Providence reaching out after them and drawing them back to the fold. Either in this life or the life to come, they will return. They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God” (Orson F. Whitney, in Conference Report, Apr. 1929, 110).

    OK...I get the 'practice' comment from the last broadcast better now. Thanks.

    Those sent to outer darkness have to have a unique level of knowledge in the first place...knowledge that not many could or will attain to at all. They have to put themselves beyond have full knowledge and turn away from it. They have to put themselves outside the Atonement's be literally beyond redemption. It's kind of hard to comprehend such a choice understanding things to the level we can as mortals, but there are those who have made it and potentially those who will do so yet.

    However, I can't agree with Jn on being able to go to outer darkness due to your choices after this life. I go back to the Bruce R. McConkie quote about how there is no falling away from the path in the next world. I really think that the choice to turn against everything must come in this life, because I don't know that regression is possible after this. I see God as being too merciful for that. I believe that only progression can happen in post-earth life. You can't fall any further than what your life on this earth merited you. The only way to go is up.


  4. I second Pete listening to the Pearl of Great Price.

    OK, some thoughts on Outer Darkness. I think I remember a joke about U of U alum end up in OD?

    Anyhow, it probably has a lot to do with having your 'calling and election' sure. You have to KNOW Christ and the Atonement to be able to deny it. You know Christ so well that your will is swallowed up in his, and you go about doing his work. That's a lot of what I thought about while listening to you. I remember my mission president giving a great lesson one time on 2 Peter 1, and having your calling and election sure. Some powerful doctrine are in that chapter.

    Anyhow, I look forward to more discussion.

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  6. One of the cooler pictures done for an episode...

  7. thank you rhett. i think it's one of my favorites. pretty sure most people who saw it didn't see it...