Thursday, March 15, 2012

Rodcast 96: Vacation!

We're still trapped in 2 Nephi and not understanding what our Sunday school classes are talking about. Still, though I gotta ask the masses -- were the things Nephi said just prophecies or self-fulfilling prophecies?

Is someone covered in tattoos, piercings and facial hair more honest in their wickedness than you are?

We also said you pretty much can't have any fun while on vacation on Sunday.

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Next week: The spirit world!


  1. 1. Clean shaven is sexy
    2. Men should NOT give other men suggestions on their facial hair. Unless scaring girls away is your goal.
    3. Jon, cut your hair.
    4. That song "Godly Sorrow" makes me cry. But for very different reasons than you might think.
    5. When can I come be a guest again?

    My family went on a LOT of vacations growing up. We were never a church going family on vacation. And we'd vacation with another family. I remember all the kids sleeping in the room and the other dad coming in and waking up his kids for church and our dad waking us up to go to the beach. So yeah. Now that I'm a grown up, my preference would be to either a) go to Sacrament Meeting, or b) do a Sunday-ish activity like go on a walk, or a museum or something a little more calm, naturey or introspective. Save the amusement parks, the waterskiing or other things for for a non Sabbath day. I go on trips with friends and we try to hit a sacrament meeting, but I feel no pressure to go to other meetings, nor do I feel guilt for not going. I have no issue spending money on Sunday on vacation. It's unavoidable if you travel in places with public transit, if you're in a hotel that doesn't have a fridge or any place to store food. I'm more a spirit of the law kind of person.

    I taught Sunday School a couple years ago and this young couple sat on the front row and fell asleep during my lesson. They came up to me afterwards to apologize for falling asleep "we were just so tired because we're on our honeymoon." Thanks guys. TMI. TMI.

  2. I have lied to my boss about a job interview. It was when I worked at Moran Eye Center during the summer of 2010 and it was the most tightly-monitored environment in which I've ever worked. I've never seen people watch the clock and make sure you weren't one minute over your lunch time or anything else that took you away from your desk than there. You had to schedule long lunches or vacation days basically months in advance. Given the short notice I had about the interview, I HAD to lie about it to save my job there. So there. I confess. That's why I don't think it is a bad thing. I've been in a situation where it was really my only viable choice. It also enabled me to have the job I've had for the past 19.5 months, so it worked out well in the end.

    "In the quiet heart is hidden sorrow that the eye can't see"...that's what Jn's comment made me think of. Active members keep dark and dirty secrets...depression, drugs, abuse, etc. People are dishonest in temple recommend interviews. I buy that idea easily. There's a lot of Sunday showmanship in this church. It's one of the things that makes differentiating between the people and the principles so difficult.

    I saw Pd's comment on Trek West 5 on Facebook mentioning the shaving thing...that's how I found out. I don't follow TW5, but Facebook Ticker is kind enough to show when a friend posts a comment basically anywhere.

    Found this on the scriptural cycles in Mass in the Catholic Church:

    "You must remember first that the whole three-year cycle is a relatively recent development within the Church. The more ancient custom (as you'll observe if you look across the lectionaries of different Churches) is to have a cycle of readings that apparently last only for a single liturgical year before it repeats again: such was the case in the Roman Rite before the Ordo Lectionum Missae or 'Order of the Readings for Mass' was promulgated post-Vatican II. The Eastern Churches (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Byzantine Catholic, the Assyrian Church of the East, and those bodies not in communion with any of them but still practicing eastern liturgical customs) tend to retain the use of a one-year lectionary in their liturgies even today.

    At least within the Roman Church (as well as some Protestant churches which use the Revised Common Lectionary and its deritatives, which are based from the new order promulgated after Vatican II) nowadays, the Order of Readings are organized into three-year cycles of readings for Sundays. The years are designated as Year A, B, or C. Every yearly cycle, which begins on the first Sunday of Advent, is assigned a Synoptic Gospel of its own (John is read throughout certain liturgical seasons, such as the whole of Easter, as well as Advent, Christmas, and Lent where appropriate): A is Matthew, B is Mark, and C is Luke.

    Aside from this three-year cycle, we also have a two-year cycle for weekday Mass (called Cycle I and Cycle II). Odd-numbered years are Cycle I; even-numbered ones are Cycle II. The weekday lectionary includes a reading from the Old Testament, Acts, Revelation, or the Epistles, a responsorial Psalm, and a reading from one of the Gospels. These readings are generally shorter than those appointed for use on Sundays. The Gospels are arranged so that portions from all four are read every year.

    (See Part 2 of this comment for more)

  3. Of course, including 100% of the Bible is impossible (considering some parts are, admittedly, dull reading unless you're an ancient Israelite, such as genealogies or most of Leviticus), but an out a total of 13.5% for the Old Testament and 71.5% of the New Testament, Sunday and weekday readings combined."

    So...not the WHOLE Bible, but probably something from each book.

    I love Panda Express, btw, so don't be ashamed, Jn! However, I only like it once or twice a year. heh

    When I was a kid, we always went to Mass when we were on vacation. Weekly attendance at church was and is a literal thing for my folks. It isn't as if churches disappear when you're in Florida or California or France or Ghana. I do think that your only real obligation would be for sacrament participate in those sacred seven minutes...but you still must put forth the effort to know the where and when and do it. We didn't have the money spending advisory when I was a kid...Catholics don't have such a standard...but now, like when I went to Europe awhile back, I bought a several days' public transit pass so I didn't have to spend money on train fare on Sunday, for example. You may have to buy food or something like that, but you can minimize how much you have to spend if you plan ahead a little bit.

    I agree with the point about vacationing from church. There are people who plan to go out of town over Conference Weekend or stake conference or another such occasion, so thinking it is OK not to go to church while on vacation kind of goes along with that attitude.

    The idea of not traveling on Sunday is a little too Jewish for me too, Jn. We aren't living the Law of Moses here, friends. I usually fly back to Salt Lake on Sunday when I go home to PA because I want to be at work on Monday. In fact, I remember flying back to SL from Detroit awhile back...on a Sunday evening...and John (with an 'h') Madsen, who was in the 1st Quorum of the Seventy at the time, was on the flight, along with his wife. If the GAs are OK with it, we can and should be too.

    I agree about being quizzed in the other classes besides sac mtg if you're visiting. Do NOT like the attention at all. However, on the other hand, I don't love being ignored either. I guess I just want to talk to people individually rather than having to stand up in front of the class and introduce myself. If it is your first and last time in that ward, why the show?

    In the family ward I was in here on Cap Hill, choir was incorporated into one of the Gospel Doctrine classes. We met in the choir seats in the chapel, and about 20 minutes of it was GD and 20 minutes of it was singing. I think that's a great idea.

    Many Amish hire people to drive them around ALL the time, not just on the Sabbath. They are not into cars or other modern items, so they'll often have local friends...usually Mennonites who have some similar ideas, but are not anti-technology, to provide their wheels.


  4. PS Amish will use the horse and buggy for short distances, but if they need to go far or into a more urban environment where they couldn't get by with the horse and buggy, they'll try to get a ride. I didn't mean in my last comment that they need cars all the time. They don't. OK...I'll be quiet now.

  5. Don't shave out of fear of conformity. Only shave if YOU want to. Proudly wear your beards guys!

    If Panda Express is too "ghetto" you can always go for the higher end Pei Wei.

    I not only follow Jon's Star Trek podcast, I also enjoy Pete's TW5. I like Peter's part in TW5 but Joey can be a bit annoying. It's fun having internet friends. I'd be open to participating sometime, although not on the discussion about boats.

    I had similar experiences to Pete traveling growing up. My Parents planned our trips to not travel on Sunday too. And I totally relate going to class not knowing anybody. It's also a sacrifice to bring along Sunday clothes. I like to travel light and nice clothes take up more room that I only wear once.

    Airline line travel work is like hospital work. A lot of times medical specimens and other urgent items need to get to destinations rapidly. So that's how I justify flying on Sunday. Also, is it still wrong to buy gas on Sunday if there is no attendant running the till? I know some gas stations that are closed on Sunday, but leave the pumps on for auto pay customers. I've driven distances on Sunday where I prepared picnic type food to eat, and only bought gas along the way.

    I liked Jon's story about going the the gas station on Sunday.